What a useful clarification. Part of my job is consultations with people who live and work in older peoples homes - If professional ethics were not a barrier Id have my camera with me like a shot! Much of the work involves lengthy and sometimes intimate discussion with groups and individuals in their own environment and I sometimes can't help.but think of the great image the person/group would make. Anyway I digress! Do you both still have film cameras ? One thought as a bit of a project was using only one 36 exposure black and white film each, take pictures of what we each consider to be documentary photography, and submit the best images to each other for ( hopefully kind and conatructive !) critique. I don't know the dark arts so mine would be 'as taken' and lab processed! Oh and it probably would be Jan before I had anything to submit! Sarah Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:09:05 +0000 Subject: [YPS SIG] Re: documentary photography anyone ? From: johnillyphotography@xxxxxxxxx To: sig_yorkps@xxxxxxxxxxxxx My thanks to photo.net for this brief explanation of "documentary photography" First, we generally think of documentary photography as photography that has a connection to real situations and that attempts to represent those situations with minimal distortion. We know, of course, that even though we think of photographs as honest evidence, they can lie in many ways -- but here the distinction is that we expect the documentary photographer to attempt to present work that minimizes this, or at least doesn't purposefully misrepresent. Walker Evans said that the term should be "documentary-style" photography, because it was really meant to be art, where true "documentary photography" would be photographs that served a function. That is, if you were in an auto accident, you might make a photograph of the damage to the car as evidence for the police or for an insurance company. Someone doing a documentary photography project on auto collisions on a dangerous stretch of freeway, however, wouldn't really care if their image was great evidence for those purposes -- they would be more concerned if it worked for the project they are doing, and perhaps about its aesthetic qualities. A great place to start looking at documentary (or documentary-style) photography would be the work of Mary Ellen Mark. She has many books you can find in any local library or bookstore. Often they involve immersion into a particular culture or activity or place, and reveal at a very deep level how people live and often something about human nature. They are also usually amazing when appreciated as visual art. Well its a start I suppose. John I. On 15 November 2011 16:55, Charlie Eddington <ceddington@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I'd be interested in the documentary group and also the contemporary one that was previously discussed. I appear to be getting jobs doing documentary stuff so I need some help! Cheers, Charlie Charlie Eddington e: ceddington@xxxxxxxxx w: www.charlieeddington.co.uk On 13/11/2011 09:54, Allan Harris wrote: OK then, we have a new group! Allan On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 22:29, sarah i'anson <sarahplews1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: That's three of us then know nothing/ not very good, which seems an excellent starting point! ________________________________ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:47:00 +0000 Subject: [YPS SIG] Re: documentary photography anyone ? From: johnillyphotography@xxxxxxxxx To: sig_yorkps@xxxxxxxxxxxxx I'm up for a bit of that! I know nothing about it though John I. On 11 November 2011 12:18, Allan Harris <allanharris.harris@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Yes! I'm just not very good at it. Allan On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 21:41, Sarah I"Anson <sarahplews1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hello This is just a provisional anyone else interested in documentary photography ? Sarah -- Allan Harris This is the 'Special Interest Group' discussion list for York Photographic Society. To post to the list, send your message to sig_yorkps@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and it will be forwarded to all of the list subscribers. An archive of messages can be found at //www.freelists.org/archive/sig_yorkps To unsubscribe, send a message to sig_yorkps-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' as the subject line -- John Illingworth, LRPS www.fiji-images.co.uk Tel: 07792379106 -- John Illingworth, LRPS www.fiji-images.co.uk Tel: 07792379106