[sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib Access
- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:20:41 -0700
Kevin,
One thing I've found is that there are fewer overall adjustments allowed for
SAPI speech. Such as reading rate, for example. Perhaps some of the issue
with punctuation is related to the same situation?
Dave
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From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:42 AM
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Dan,
I think I understand this. However, the issue is that I have to
reset the punctuation level in the JAWS V dialog afresh every time I open
the document. Whereas with eloquence, that setting is set once and never
again, using the SAPI voices I have to do it twice. Remember that I want
one setup for Wordpad docs and another for reading through folders of files.
I'll be calling FS in the states today to get this cleared up.
Thanks,
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:29 AM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Hi Kevin,
Sorry, I didn't do a very good job of explaining this.
When you choose the level for an individual symbol it will be spoken at that
level and all levels above it. So, setting period to All means that the
period will only be spoken when you set the punctuation level to all.
Setting period to most, it will be spoken when the punctuation level is most
or all. Setting the period to none means that periods will be spoken when
the punctuation level is none, some, most or all.
If you don't want to hear a particular symbol you should set it to most,
some or none and then set the punctuation level to a level which is higher
than the level for the symbol.
Hope this makes more sense,
Dan Rugman
visit the new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of
Sibelius Access. www.musicaccess.co.uk
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 16 March 2009 05:46
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
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Dan,
You said that if I chose All in the radio buttons, than only
characters that had been set to all in the list would be spoken.
Unfortunately, near as I can figure out, the relationship between the radio
buttons and the characters is such that whatever you choose in the list is
assigned to that radio button and there's no way to, for example, set period
to most and then set the radio button to all so that the period isn't
spoken. What I can seem to do is set the preferences I want using the JAWS
v command on a one time basis. But when I Alt Tab out and back, the
settings I made for punctuation are lost. Remember that this applies only
to the SAPI voices. I don't have any of these problems with the eloquence
default profile.
sorry to bother you with this.
Left a message on the JAWS list but haven't seen any replies.
Thanks, Kevin
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From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 5:01 PM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib
Access
Kevin,
You can set the verbosity levels for each application separately through the
configuration manager. Make sure that you're in the application you want to
set the verbosity for and then press JAWS+6. The configuration manager will
open with the JCF file for that app loaded.
Pressing Alt+S brings up a menu which contains all the dialogs which you can
use to configure the verbosity.
Customize Punctuation lets you specify how each punctuation character will
be spoken at the different punctuation levels.
It contains a list view of all the punctuation characters. Pressing space
on each item will make it cycle through four options: all, most, some and
none.
After the list is a group of four radio buttons. These correspond to the
same options in the list of characters.
If you choose all in the radio buttons, then only characters which have been
set to all in the list will be spoken. Likewise for most, some and none.
Hope this helps,
Dan Rugman
visit the new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of
Sibelius Access. www.musicaccess.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 15 March 2009 20:10
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Slightly O.T. Want to use SAPI voices with Sib Access
Dear All,
I have JAWS 10 on my system with Sib Access. I would like to use the
SAPI voices with Sib Access instead of Eloquence even though I've been told
that the SAPI voices are much slower and are best used when reading long
documents. I just like the sound. Not only that, I have multiple computers
and I would benefit from having different voices for each so I know which
one is speaking to me at any given time. The problem is that I can't arrive
at a workable compromise that gives me the right level of spoken
punctuation. If I have punctuation set to all, that will make JAWS read the
names of files located in folders with periods in their names before the .3,
such as exe files with detailed version numbers, correctly. However, If I
do that, I hear much too much punctuation when I'm in apps like Sibelius and
Sonar. However, if I minimize the punctuation to an appropriate level for
Sibelius, file names of the sort I just described are read as having dates
in the body of their title when read by JAWS in Windows Explorer.
For someone who has used JAWS as long as I have, I'm simply not as
accomplished as I should be. A little vision is a dangerous thing. Is
their a solution that will give me the punctuation compromise I want? I
seem to get what I want when I'm in the default voice with Eloquence.
Thanks, Kevin
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