[sib-access] Re: Follow-up to chord symbol request

  • From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:52:51 -0600

Dave,
        Like I think I explained, the new construct appears to be this.
        If you are on the downbeat of a bar that contains lyrics, notes and
chord symbols, you will first find yourself on the note or rest that begins
the bar.  If a lyric exists on the downbeat of 1, that lyric, or syllable,
will be spoken when you arrive on it.  Shift tabbing from there once will
put you on any chord symbol that exists in that bar at that beat.  Now, if
you're on that chord symbol, tabbing twice will send you past the original
note or rest on the downbeat of one and put you on any lyric that exists on
the next note in the staff.  At that point you will be told that you are on
the lyric line and your lyric will be spoken and you will be told where that
lyric falls in the bar.  A subsequent tab will put you on the note to which
the just spoken lyric is attached and the lyric will be spoken once more.
But this time it will be clear that you are on the note, not the lyric.
        If your part begins with a rest on the downbeat of 1 but has a chord
symbol that covers the beginning of the bar and a note and a lyric that
starts on, say, 2, the following will happen:
        Arriving on the downbeat of the bar will tell you you're on a rest.
Shift tabbing once will bring you to the chord symbol that begins the bar.
Tabbing again will put you on the rest on the downbeat of one and tabbing
again will put you on the lyric that's under the first note in the bar if
applicable.
HTH,
Kevin
PS.  This is the way it works for sighted folks as well.  They don't bother
tabbing.  But, if they did, that's what they'd encounter.



-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:16 PM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Follow-up to chord symbol request


K,

Ah. Got it now. Okay in old Sib 3 we could use the Ctrl-G to go to the next
chord, once we were on a chord. I remember something like that. It was part
of the old Ctrl+Shift+F3 for accessing system/staff items.

I honestly don't know if there is a similar construct in sib-access to do
this. Sorry for long-winded way of saying "I don't know".

Did you check (I'm sure you did) the milestone.doc file for any clues?

Then next check the Sib 5 documentation for any keystrokes to something like

"find next similar item".

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: January 23, 2009 1:41 PM
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Follow-up to chord symbol request


Here's the deal, everyone.  There's apparently a difference between my
memories of Sibelius 3 and the reality of Sibelius 5 and that difference is
this.  I think it used to be that once you got into the chord symbols in a
chart, you could progress through chord symbols in a chart from beginning to
end.  Now, the situation is that you appear to progress through the chord
symbols of, say, a first bar and then you are put in the staff of the second
bar, after which you are shown the chord symbols for that second bar.  Jus
thought you'd like to know. Dave, I wasn't interested in moving the chord
symbols as much as I was interested in finding out why I couldn't simply tab
to them.  The reason was because I was expecting the chords to be attached
to a staff other than the staff to which they actually were attached.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:07 PM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Follow-up to chord symbol request


K,

Edit menu, filter, and one of the sub-selections should be chords.

Failing that, then using the advanced filter and selecting text and chords
in the multi-list box should allow you to select them all, then perhaps cut
and paste to the treble clef staff. Also while selected use the styles menu
and change the position to the default. I would expect that to place them
above the staff instead of below the staff.

Ideas to try.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Gibbs" <kevjazz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: January 23, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: [sib-access] Follow-up to chord symbol request


I found the chord symbols.  The guy who prepared the score wrote them below
the treble clef staff of a piano part instead of above the bass clef of the
same.  The net effect is to put the chord symbols between staves but not
where I expected them.  That said, I still have a problem.  If I go to bar 2
of the score in the right hand staff and shift tab, I go to the last chord
symbol in bar 1 of the part, not the first chord symbol of bar 2 of the
part.  And, I can only read the chords in bar 1 before being put back on the
bar rest in bar 2.  I still need a recipe for putting myself on the first
chord of a bar and, from there, being able to continue through all the
chords of the part.  Still don't know how to do that. Kevin If you wish to
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