[sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
- From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:48:38 -0000
George,
Sounds a pretty fair description to me. FYI, those short horizontal lines
that can appear for notes above/below a staff are called ledger lines.
Best wishes.
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 18 December 2011 12:19
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
Hi Dale,
I'm no musician, but have looked this up to see how they visually appear, so
please don't laugh at my crude description.
If you start with three notes tied on the upper stave, but want the middle
note on the lower stave, the note is simply dragged down to the lower stave.
The vertical line between the note tie at the top, and the note itself is
simply extended.
The alternative method shown is like adding a middle C where the note is
shown with a short horizontal line through it, except that you add what I
would perhaps call blank short lines under one another going down, until you
reach the point there you want the actual note to be.
I gather this is the preferred method for piano scores. But of course it
causes in increased gap between the top and bottom staves.
I'm sorry if this is a very crude description, but the best I can think of
as a fully sighted person with little practical playing knowledge other than
piano some 40 - 50 years ago.
George.
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dale Lieser
Sent: 17 December 2011 22:32
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
OK. Thank you, sir.
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:19 PM
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
Dale,
According to the text, it is something we can do, but should consult with a
sighted person afterwards. The manual indicates adding all the notes to the
staff with the greatest population, then highlighting the multiple notes to
move to the other staff. Then use the Cross-beaming (I think it's in the
notes menu) to move the selection. Necessary stem positions and beams are
created as needed.
Collisions (at least in Sib 5) may still be an issue if there are other
notes nearby.
Dave Carlson
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From: "Dale Lieser" <dale.lieser@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 14:08
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
Dave,
It does help. I had looked through that section of the manual, but still
wasn't clear on what the resulting notation would look like or, more to the
point, whether it is something we can accomplish without assistance.
Dale
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
Dale,
There's some good description in the Sib 5 Reference manual, section
2.5
Beaming. Note that in this manual they are usually referred to as
"Cross-staff beaming" rather than simply as cross-staff notes.
In my further recollection now that I've read the manual, crossing the staff
from one note to the next without any beam isn't an issue. I think it can be
enhanced by using a slur or if more appropriate a line to show connectivity
and encourage the idea that the hands are switching.
In the case where a beam is necessary (eighth, sixteenth, etc) the beam is
placed on both the up and down stems of the two successive notes, either
level or slanted depending on how much of a jump there is in the pitch.
So for example going from the bass staff to the treble staff with two eighth
notes in succession, you have a normal note head with a stem to its right,
pointing up ending at a beam toward the right. Then the treble note stem
connects to that same beam and goes upward to the note head on the treble
staff, the glob to the right of the stem.
Hope this helps a bit.
Dave Carlson
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From: "Dale Lieser" <dale.lieser@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 13:25
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
Sounds good, Dave. Thanks.
If anyone else has descriptions, too, the more the merrier.
Dale
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
Dale,
I'm thinking that the stem extends to the other staff, and that
there's
another note head at the other end, on that staff, with any necessary
flags
in-between. Not positive on this, but I'm pretty sure I've seen this
type of
note construction in my past.
Dave Carlson
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Area
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Lieser" <dale.lieser@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:59
Subject: [sib-access] Appearance of a Cross-Staff Note
Hello Everyone,
A couple of weeks ago we got into a discussion of Cross-staff notes. I
know
how to create them, but I also would like to know what they look like.
Is it
just that the stem is long enough to stretch into the other staff?
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Dale
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