Thank you everyone!! From: Cristian Gozzi [mailto:cristian.gozzi@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:57 AM To: Megan Pecheny Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] s parameter causality problems Dear Megan it's a common problem when it's used a simulator to extract S-parameters without using frequency dependent materials. If they use frequency dependent material for dielectric, like Djorckevic Sarkar or Debye model, and run another time simulation, they can provide you casual s-param model Regards Cris 2011/12/6 Megan Pecheny <Megan.Pecheny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Megan.Pecheny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> I received 2 16port connector models and am using Hyperlynx 8.1.1 Touchstone Viewer to do some analysis. Both models I received from this company report as being non-causal. I have watched many of eric bogatin's webinars and searched for information regarding the quality of s parameters and can't really find anything pertaining to causality and passivity. I know a true system is causal because you can't have a response without a stimulus, but does this mean the s parameter model is flawed and shouldn't be trusted? Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thank you, Megan Pecheny Daktronics Hardware Design Engineer 605-692-0200 ext. 57043<tel:605-692-0200%20ext.%2057043> Megan.Pecheny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Megan.Pecheny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu