Kevin- I agree there is no replacement for visual demos (100 foot clothesline is under $5). My Physics prof showed the tied vs slip ring termination effect at roughly 30 feet (10 m). Another fun one is to use a motor with "stick" to drive one end of the "clothesline" to demo standing waves. Back then, I was most impressed by the fact that there was a fixed point of zero amplitude (voltage), and yet energy was clearly moving past that point. Today, I look back at that and visualize PCB resonances. After that, they taught us all the math.... Cheers, Lynne "IBIS training when you need it, where you need it." Dr. Lynne Green Green Streak Programs http://www.greenstreakprograms.com 425-788-0412 lgreen22@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin G. Rhoads Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:49 AM To: kpsubramani@xxxxxxxxx Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: reflection coeficient >I was reading about signal reflections. It is too bad that most people use clothing dryers and not clotheslines anymore. If you've ever "pulsed" a clothesline and watched the pulse propagate and reflect off the far end as a kid, then when you get to transmission lines 101 you can visualize just exactly what is going on phenomenologically. (So all that time when I was "playing" as a child was not totally wasted ...) Absent a clothesline, take a good string or twine and run a taut line over at least 10 feet, longer if you can. Ping the line by plucking it near one end and watch the propagating pulse. You can literally see the pulse reflect from the far end. If one uses the natural analogy of displacement <-> voltage and transverse velocity <-> current, then a tied end is analogous to a shorted line. An opne line would be simulated by having the twine tied to a slip ring that can freely move up and down, which is much harder to get working. There is no substitute for understanding the math -- but good visualization can be very helpful as well. HTH Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu