[SI-LIST] Re: options for reducing EMI
- From: jackle zheng <zheng.jackle@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: sherman.chen@xxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:09:16 +0800
scramble also can decrease EMI. i was testing the HDMI 2.0 UD60 signals.
Before sending, the data was scrambled for decreasing EMI
2014-09-04 5:27 GMT+08:00 Chen, Sherman <sherman.chen@xxxxxxx>:
> Understood. That's why we've been keeping SSC off. Thanks.
> Best Regards,
>
> Sherman Chen
> Signal Integrity
> EMC Global Hardware Engineering
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> From: Scott McMorrow [mailto:scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 9:31 PM
> To: Chen, Sherman
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> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: options for reducing EMI
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> Chen
>
> You can certainly do that, but it's a band aid for whatever the actual
> problem is. You should just not be radiating at 8 GHz.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
>
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> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Chen, Sherman <sherman.chen@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:sherman.chen@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> Thanks, Steve.
> The freq. exceeding the EMI margin is 8GHz. Enabling SSC should help on
> that I think.
> Any impact & precaution for turning SSC on? Looks there would be no big
> issue since all our chip vendors claims their products work fairly well
> with SSC on...
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Sherman Chen
> Signal Integrity
> EMC Global Hardware Engineering
> Tel: +86 21 60951100-3329
>
>
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> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: options for reducing EMI
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> This is another infamous: "It depends".
>
> First: Will any combination of anticipated measures yield a solution that
> meets both your SI and EMC requirements?
> Second: Do you prioritize margin to SI or EMC, or split them?
>
> It sounds like you have a design that has failed EMC. Before twiddling
> anything that you can look at where you are failing and how badly.
>
> TX swing can only reduce noise in the best case dB for dB. So, if you
> just need a couple of dB to squeak by and have the link budget, it is an
> option.
> SSC can buy up to 10dB on the clock and harmonics.
> Edge rate could help if you have resonance issues. Otherwise, it is
> similar to fiddling with the Tx swing.
>
> Steve
> On 9/1/2014 1:43 PM, Chen, Sherman wrote:
> > Hi SI Gurus,
> > We are considering the following options in order to reduce the EMI of
> one of our boards, which is mainly caused by the PCIe Gen3 link:
> >
> > 1. Reducing TX swing.
> >
> > 2. Turn on SSC.
> >
> > 3. Slowing down edge rate.
> > While we are running test to verify which option will bring us the best
> result & least impact, any comments or suggestions from those who had
> experiences on this matter?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Sherman Chen
> > Signal Integrity
> > EMC Global Hardware Engineering
> > Tel: +86 21 60951100-3329
> >
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