[SI-LIST] Re: hi
- From: "Chris Cheng" <Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <vats123@xxxxxxxxx>, <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:37:18 -0700
> Lets us assume Jag veer was greedy and as per your accusation did ask
> for the software, why cant we let jag veer know its proprietary and
> it cannot be uploaded. Why should he be insulted? That's my precise
> point.
For the last time I did not say he was dumb to ask for a pirated HOSPICE. He
was greedy for being that.
He insulted my intelligence when he come up with the DUMB excuse. It is the
SECOND POST.
>If you read the chain of emails after jagaveer's there are references to
>nationality .
You either accuse Steve or me as bigot or you are not. You did not mention any
names in your response except me and Steve. Why bring the race card up when
neither of us say anything about race or nationality. If you have a beef with
racial remark, go pick your fight with that person.
> somebody told HSPICE best tool for ciruit simulation and free ware
I want to know who is the "someboby" who says it is freeware. Is that his
peers who are using free version of HSPICE or his BS excuse. Try to stand up
and defend that if you are so compel to do so.
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From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Srivats Partha
Sent: Sun 8/26/2007 9:32 PM
To: weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: hi
Hello Steve
If you read the chain of emails after jagaveer's there are references to
nationality . But I agree with you thats it is wrong to ask for proprietary
softwares . All I want to convey is that why cant we more polite and less
aggressive ,it dosent mean we dont make our point strongly.After all forums are
built on the principle of tolerance. I am sure it is the same with this forum
too.
regards
Srivats
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----- Original Message ----
From: steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Srivats Partha <vats123@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chris Cheng <Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxx>; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 11:46:00 PM
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: hi
Srivats,
I think that perhaps you are sensitive to some inappropriate political
rants that raged on the SI-LIST back in June. I agree that as a
technical reflector this is not the place for political subject matter.
Ray quickly took corrective measures, first asking the posters involved
to take it somewhere else, and later when at least one wouldn't to
impose filters. I think you will agree that the political tirades have
stopped.
As far as I am concerned jagaveer25's outrageous efforts to enlist an
accomplice to steal software were the act of an individual. As grossly
offensive as that was, those actions were his alone. I do not see where
anyone has extended jagaveer25's disgusting behavior to a nationality.
If it ever does, you have every right to expect corrective action from
Ray. For the reasons I have already posted in detail I find
jagaveer25's intent: obvious, clear, and beyond dispute.
Regards,
Steve.
Srivats Partha wrote:
> Hello Steve ,Chris
> Lets us assume Jagaveer was greedy and as per your accusation did ask
> for the software, why cant we let jagaveer know its proprietary and
> it cannot be uploaded. Why should he be insulted? Thats my precise
> point. Why cant we point jagaveer to a free version thats available
> as a couple of other members did to free version of pspice or the
> student version. Why generalize a whole nation and insult it? Thats
> what a number of answers did apart from calling Jagaveer Dumb. This is
> not the first time this is happening in this group. I politely request
> the moderators to not allow such accusations in the group. SI-LIST has
> got a number of internationals and it hurts the sentiments when such
> baseless remarks are made on a whole nation.Lets keep the group as
> technical as possible and not reduce ourselves to this kind of
> mudslinging.
>
> Regards
> Srivats
>
> --
>
> --
> I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious. AE
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Chris Cheng <Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxx>
> To: Charles Harrington <ch_harrington@xxxxxxxxx>; weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx;
> vats123@xxxxxxxxx
> Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:08:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Re: hi
>
> And the dog ate my homework.
> I believe he was greedy and cheap for asking for pirated copies of
> HSPICE and when he got caught he came out with a DUMB excuse.
> I think he was greedy for his first post NOT DUMB.
> But I think he was giving a DUMB excuse when he got caught.
> I stand by what I said.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Charles Harrington [mailto:ch_harrington@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Sun 8/26/2007 2:56 PM
> *To:* weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx; vats123@xxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* Chris Cheng; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [SI-LIST] Re: hi
>
> Steve,
>
> I'm really ashamed to read that you (as one of the leading experts in
> this list) fully well agree with Chris' naughtiness and ignorance.
> That's not criticism, it's an abuse and shouldn't be tolerated in this
> list.
>
> Chris has no right whatsoever to call anyone DUMB and then you agree
> with it. It's a shame to you and all of us in the SI community.
>
> Since I joined this list a couple of years ago, all of Chris' postings
> have always carried some abusive statements. Although his arguments
> are very ignorant, without much technical content, no one has ever
> called him DUMB. Jagaveer25 already humbly stated that he was not
> aware that the version he was looking for was licensed. This may as
> well be a lie, but does that automatically give anyone the right to
> call him DUMB?
>
> Ray, with much respect, I think you as the administrator of this list
> should also take up the responsibility in sending a warning signal to
> arrogant fellows like Chris who have no respect for themselves and
> for others, and if they repeat such behavior, they should be BANNED
> from the list.
>
> On the other hand, I don't support anybody who intends to steal any
> other person's work. But I would not also call any body DUMB.
>
> Thanks a lot for reading
> Charles
>
>
> */steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>
> Srivats, I fully agree with Chris' harsh criticism of jagaveer25. I
> don't see jagaveer25 as naive at all. Plug HSPICE into Google and
> Synopsys' entry pops up. Run HSPICE such as from a server at the
> university and the copyright notice pops up. Plug SPICE and free into
> Google and lots of freeware entries pop-up. Jagaveer25 didn't ask
> for a
> link to an imagined freeware distribution of HSPICE. He asked someone
> to upload a copy. I don't know of any freeware distribution that
> doesn't sit on easy to find servers. I find it impossible to
> reconcile
> these facts with jagaveer25's story. His tale just seems a clumsy
> lie.
> Would you feel OK if jagaveer25 came around asking for help stealing
> your work product or other property?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Steve.
>
> Srivats Partha wrote:
> > Hello Gurus
> > I apologize .This is specifically meant for our "Super Brilliant
> Pal" Chris Cheng.
> > Chris let me ask you a question?
> > Do you know why oscillations are observed in high speed SiGe
> BJT'S during break down(CEO) measurements when put under a TLP?
> >
> > I bet my bottom dollar you wont be able to answer it. You could
> google all your life using yur super sized brain.
> >
> > But i would never ever call you "DUMB" for not knowing this.
> Just that you have never been exposed to this kind of work. That
> doesnt warrant me to call yu a dumb guy. Everybody cannot know
> everything.
> >
> > I had tons of respect for this forum. But the answers provided
> by people like Chris are totally uncalled for. How dare yu call
> someone dumb?
> >
> > In India Signal Integrity is a nascent field. People dont know
> what softwares are proprietary? So its the duty of the people in a
> form like this to tell people whats proprietary and whats not? Why
> make fun of someone? After all everyone wants to learn. People are
> approaching this group becoz of the presence of so many experts.
> Why should there be so much of EGO? I think these answers will
> prevent new people in the SI field from asking questions. Dosent
> that kill the whole purpose of a form like this.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Sri
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > --
> > I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious. AE
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Chris Cheng
> > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:26:20 PM
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: hi
> >
> > For that I give you
> > http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200507/gegenaggro-1120742457.jpg
> > Thanks and regards.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of jagaveer25
> > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 10:12 PM
> > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] hi
> >
> >
> >
> > hi folks
> >
> > am in new this field
> > somebody told HSPICE best tool for ciruit simulation and free ware
> > also thatswhat am asking . i don't know that is licensed version
> . now
> > only i know this detail from ur guys ok thank u for kind of
> > information.
> >
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> >
> > V.jagaveer
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