[SI-LIST] Re: hi
- From: steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Charles Harrington <ch_harrington@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:03:17 -0700
Charles, if I thought Chris or anyone else were belittling someone's
technical skills, then I would fully agree with you. The list is here
to encourage people to ask technical questions and exchange technical
ideas. That falls apart without a sense of professional decorum.
Personal attacks do not belong in our professional community.
I don't regard criminals, or criminal wanna-bes as members of our
community. I have zero desire to make them feel welcome here or
anywhere else. I am completely convinced that jagaveer25 came here
hoping to find an accomplice to his premeditated theft. I carry no
doubt that he knew full well that HSPICE is an expensive licensed tool
for the reasons I stated to Srivats. After being called out on the
crime, jagaveer25 could have just let things be. Instead he offered up
that transparent cock and bull story. I found that story an insult to
the intelligence of everyone on the list. I ask you which is more
outrageous: To call a lame story "dumb", or to try and pass off the
lame story on 4500 SI-List members?
The list has suffered from a number of exchanges that degenerated to
exchanges of personal attacks or political tirades. Ray has addressed
this, and I am sure he will address it again if the need arises. I
think this case is exceptional as I do not see Chris' parody addressing
jagaveer25's technical prowess, but rather jagaveer25's apparent belief
that he could put over such a transparent set of lies to the members of
the SI-List.
I am far from the person I might hope someday to be. I do appreciate
that you think enough of me to offer your criticism. Thanks.
Regards,
Steve.
Charles Harrington wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I'm really ashamed to read that you (as one of the leading experts in
> this list) fully well agree with Chris' naughtiness and ignorance.
> That's not criticism, it's an abuse and shouldn't be tolerated in this
> list.
>
> Chris has no right whatsoever to call anyone DUMB and then you agree
> with it. It's a shame to you and all of us in the SI community.
>
> Since I joined this list a couple of years ago, all of Chris' postings
> have always carried some abusive statements. Although his arguments
> are very ignorant, without much technical content, no one has ever
> called him DUMB. Jagaveer25 already humbly stated that he was not
> aware that the version he was looking for was licensed. This may as
> well be a lie, but does that automatically give anyone the right to
> call him DUMB?
>
> Ray, with much respect, I think you as the administrator of this list
> should also take up the responsibility in sending a warning signal to
> arrogant fellows like Chris who have no respect for themselves and
> for others, and if they repeat such behavior, they should be BANNED
> from the list.
>
> On the other hand, I don't support anybody who intends to steal any
> other person's work. But I would not also call any body DUMB.
>
> Thanks a lot for reading
> Charles
>
>
> */steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx>/* wrote:
>
> Srivats, I fully agree with Chris' harsh criticism of jagaveer25. I
> don't see jagaveer25 as naive at all. Plug HSPICE into Google and
> Synopsys' entry pops up. Run HSPICE such as from a server at the
> university and the copyright notice pops up. Plug SPICE and free into
> Google and lots of freeware entries pop-up. Jagaveer25 didn't ask
> for a
> link to an imagined freeware distribution of HSPICE. He asked someone
> to upload a copy. I don't know of any freeware distribution that
> doesn't sit on easy to find servers. I find it impossible to
> reconcile
> these facts with jagaveer25's story. His tale just seems a clumsy
> lie.
> Would you feel OK if jagaveer25 came around asking for help stealing
> your work product or other property?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Steve.
>
> Srivats Partha wrote:
> > Hello Gurus
> > I apologize .This is specifically meant for our "Super Brilliant
> Pal" Chris Cheng.
> > Chris let me ask you a question?
> > Do you know why oscillations are observed in high speed SiGe
> BJT'S during break down(CEO) measurements when put under a TLP?
> >
> > I bet my bottom dollar you wont be able to answer it. You could
> google all your life using yur super sized brain.
> >
> > But i would never ever call you "DUMB" for not knowing this.
> Just that you have never been exposed to this kind of work. That
> doesnt warrant me to call yu a dumb guy. Everybody cannot know
> everything.
> >
> > I had tons of respect for this forum. But the answers provided
> by people like Chris are totally uncalled for. How dare yu call
> someone dumb?
> >
> > In India Signal Integrity is a nascent field. People dont know
> what softwares are proprietary? So its the duty of the people in a
> form like this to tell people whats proprietary and whats not? Why
> make fun of someone? After all everyone wants to learn. People are
> approaching this group becoz of the presence of so many experts.
> Why should there be so much of EGO? I think these answers will
> prevent new people in the SI field from asking questions. Dosent
> that kill the whole purpose of a form like this.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Sri
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > --
> > I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious. AE
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Chris Cheng
> > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:26:20 PM
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: hi
> >
> > For that I give you
> > http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200507/gegenaggro-1120742457.jpg
> > Thanks and regards.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of jagaveer25
> > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 10:12 PM
> > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] hi
> >
> >
> >
> > hi folks
> >
> > am in new this field
> > somebody told HSPICE best tool for ciruit simulation and free ware
> > also thatswhat am asking . i don't know that is licensed version
> . now
> > only i know this detail from ur guys ok thank u for kind of
> > information.
> >
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> >
> > V.jagaveer
> >
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