Hi Expert I was confuse about the delay tuning method. We have two choice: Single loop or small serpentines Single loop can match the length quickly then small serpentines. That's mean: Single loop has big different when tuning but short time. small serpentines has small different when tuning but takes long time. We try to simulation the result is below 12.5GHZ. We can't find any different in SDD21 and SDD11 That's mean Single loop and small serpentines is almost same when signal is below 8GBps Why most the design guide force to use small serpentines And I am so sorry for send two mail with unreadable code Best Regards pcbtime------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu