Of course, but no one asked for names. Is it the case that the resumes that
cross your desk are already filtered through HR? The raw stream is the relevant
one here, and for many of those the presumption does not hold.
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From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Cheng, Chris
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:04 PM
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: commodity community
I am of the opinion that if you extend me the professional courtesy of sending
me a resume to apply for a job, I should extend you the professional courtesy
to keep my opinion of you within the hiring process.
Besides, when I hire, I usually have a very specific skill set in mind. Just
because you don't fit into the job description does not mean you are not a good
engineer.
Chris Cheng
Distinguished Technologist , Electrical
Hewlett-Packard Company
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From: Orin Laney [mailto:olaney@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:54 PM
To: Cheng, Chris; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: commodity community
Here's where I'd like to hear from hiring managers and laid off EEs. In the
past when I've advertised for an EE opening it's easy to get a stack of resumes
in response (I last tried this in the Washington DC area). Of the approximately
100 resumes that flowed in last time, 3 or 4 candidates were worth
interviewing, and of those I felt fortunate to find one worth making an offer
to. I compared notes with the HR dept. at a major aerospace company here in
Silicon Valley and they reported the same thing. Some years earlier I queried
the HR department at a large facility in S. Cal, and learned they were
receiving around 1500 unsolicited resumes per week, with the same quality
issues!
I never had time to talk to the also-rans and wannabees hoping for a chance to
earn engineering wages despite lack of fit. What I want your opinion on is, is
this a case of falling off the wagon or simply never hopping on? After all,
possession of a degree does not by itself make one an engineer -- it's the
ability to actually engineer something. Are we looking at a case of
professional death if you ever are out of work too long or leave the field, or
does the engineering education community have what the semiconductor folks call
a yield problem?
Orin Laney
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From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Cheng, Chris
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:38 PM
To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: commodity
I don't think it’s the age or years of experience beyond 3-5 years that makes
one a commodity or a valuable resource.
Work ethics, the type of company and projects you work on makes the difference.
Sometime it's just luck that you land on that opportunity.
Chris Cheng
Distinguished Technologist , Electrical
Hewlett-Packard Company
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Behalf Of Doug Smith
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:11 PM
To: jim.nadolny@xxxxxxxxxx; buenoshun@xxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Grasso,
Charles
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: commodity
Hi Charles and the group,
And maybe slower as well. Not sure about others, but I can diagnose problems I
have never seen before faster and learn new technical concepts faster at 68
than at any point in my past. I think engineering brains get better with age,
like wine (don't drink it though, just water, coconut water, and orange juice
mostly).
Doug
http://emcesd.com
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:15:27 +0000, "Grasso, Charles"
<Charles.Grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Folks with 3-5 years' experience are cheap !!
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[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Nadolny
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 7:52 AM
To: buenoshun@xxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: commodity
Hey Istvan - I would not call SI engineering a commodity but I would
say that it is maturing. At one point SI seemed to be the lone analog
engineer in a sea of digital dudes. Stuff would not work due to analog
effects so it was up to the analog guy to sort out transmission line
effects, maybe even model the analog aspects of the digital circuitry.
By default, this analog guy had to be pretty good to investigate,
troubleshoot, measure, model...and eventually they were an expert.
Universities rose to the challenge...a few anyway. The software tools
matured and became much more easy to use. The instrumentation matured.
I could have really used a 4 port VNA with AFR 20 years ago, but none
existed. A few companies have SI training programs and there are very
good consultants that can teach you what you need to know.
So now you have guys with 3-5 years of experience that are very
capable. They might struggle with stuff they have never seen before,
but that is true of anyone. The difference is that the expert might
have 3 ways of solving a problem and know 5 guys that have solved this
exact problem. They know what they don't know and know who and how to
get the problem solved. The guy with 3 years' experience might know of
one way to solve the problem and not realize that he is missing some
major pieces of the puzzle.
I think of it as evolution not commoditization.
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From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Istvan Nagy
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 2:26 AM
To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] commodity
Hi,
Did signal integrity engineering become a commodity?
Or is this trend about to slap someone in the face?
I thought it used to be a professor or scientist job for the best and
brightest, but nowadays all companies keep hiring people for their SI
teams in large quantities. Most job postings are like "fresh graduate
with 3yr experience", that's all that's required. The "expert" is not
part of the equation anymore?
Did it become that simple that any fresh graduate can do what 10 years
ago only the smartest people could do?
I got quotes from some service/contractor companies doing SI
simulations for us on their Ansoft tools (for a lot of money), but
"what to simulate" or "how to interpret the results" was either not
covered or was seriously misguided.
The same might have happened to "engineering" some years earlier. Is
it the same, or this time it is different?
Some threads here on si-list in recent years seem (to me) to reflect
that too.
Regards,
Istvan Nagy
(I am not really an SI-engineer, but a HW/product/board designer)
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