The equation you gave is from section 47.4.1 Compliance interconnect definition. There is no section 47.41. The way to understand this is to understand what the Compliance interconnect is used for. It is used for "compliance testing" of a XAUI signal from a PHY. It is meant to be about as bad as an interconnect is allowed to be. It is used for making measurements on the transmitted signal. In the next section, 47.4.2. it says far end Eye Diagram template tests are measured "at the end of the compliance interconnect specified in 47.4.1." (It also defines the load to be used at the far end for this test, separately). The intent is to show that the transmitted signal can pass the far end template after an interconnect at least this bad. Any system that you make is expected to have BETTER (or equal, at worst) s21 than the compliance interconnect. Your short channel, with much less s21, is great! A compliant PHY's transmitted signal can pass the far end eye after going through the "compliance interconnect". This means: If a channel is worse than the compliance interconnect, then the testing defined in 802.3 doesn't guarantee that the system with that channel will work. If a channel is better than the compliance interconnect - like your short channel - then the testing defined in 802.3 is supposed to guarantee that thesystem will work. In short: the compliance interconnects' performance is not a goal, it is a limit. That is my understanding. --- Joe S. Edison Green ---05/08/2012 08:56:08 AM---I am confused when I study XAUISPEC which in the Cause 47.41 of IEEE standard 802.3 [IMG] From: [IMG] Edison Green <edisonluckforever@xxxxxxxxx> [IMG] To: [IMG] si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [IMG] Date: [IMG] 05/08/2012 08:56 AM [IMG] Subject: [IMG] [SI-LIST] XAUI - How to understand the "Compliance interconnect definition" Sent by: [IMG] si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am confused when I study XAUI SPEC which in the Cause 47.41 of IEEE standard 802.3 The Compliance interconnect definition describe as follow: |S21|Ë?|S21|limit=-20log(e)*[a1*f^2+a2*f+a3*f^2] This limit applies from DC to 3.125 GHz. The magnitude response above 3.125 GHz does not exceed -11.4 dB ISI loss>4dB The ISI loss,defined as the difference in magnitude response between two frequencies, is greater than 4.0 dB between 312.5 MHz and 1.5625 GHz. My question is that: If my interconnect is shorter and the insertion losses(S21) is small also, it maybe can't satisfy the "Compliance interconnect definition". My interconnect charactar S21 will be >|S21|limit=-20log(e)*[a1*f^2+a2*f+a3*f^2] ISI loss will be <4db according to the definition(because abs(S21) may <4db) In my mind, the shorter , the better, is it wrong? How to understand the "Compliance interconnect definition"? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list[1] For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list[2] List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list[3] Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu[4] --- Links --- 1 //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list 2 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list 3 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list 4 http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu