There is a timing model called "STAMP". It is used by Mentor's Tau board-level timing analysis tool. I think Xilinx tools can create STAMP models. I think there is some Synopsis tool that can create them too.=20 I've never used it. I think most people tend to do home-grown spreadsheet timing analysis. -tom -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Zhu (Zhu Yonghui) Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:18 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Why no timing model available unitl now? In some sense, timing is more important than SI problem in digital design. In high speed design, timing problem is more popular than SI problem. I am very puzzled why there is no timing mode for simulation in industry until now. We have to manually calculate the time margin from the parameters on the datasheet. Why industry can not establish such a model that contain timing parameters? If such timing mode combined with SI mode(IBIS, SPICE) to simulate the circuit, It's really a big exciting news to hardware design engineer. Anybody has some info about such model standard? I really hope it can be popular as current IBIS model. =20 Thanks Peter zhu Continuous Computing China Tel: 0755-26630888-6943 Fax: 0755-266630822 Mobile: 13823605271 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu