Allen, I think Dr.Howard Johnson was trying to provide a qualitative description of crosstalk behavior by giving that equation you mentioned. I suggest you should take use of some field solver to find the crosstalk coefficients if you want to estimate the crosstalk noise more accurately. You will find the crosstalk dependencies on trace width then. According to my calculations, the narrower trace width (higher Z0) will have slightly larger crosstalk coefficients than wider one (suppose same dielectric height) with the same air gap. RGS, Steve Ting Dear all: It's me again. Thanks Steve first to provide us good explanation of our = last question.... We then come out another one that in crosstalk calculation, why the = trace width does not be counted in.. For example, in Dr. Howard Johnson's first book page 192, there wrote: Crosstalk ~ K / (1 + (D/H)*(D/H)), where D: distance between two traces = center to center. H: height above the reference plane In real application, a pattern of 4.5/15 (trace width 4.5 and space 15) = will really have larger crosstalk than 5/15? (say the H is 4.1mil) Best regards! Allen Wang ASUSTeK Computer Inc. RD8- server centric division Manager Mobile: 886-935481831 TEL: 886-2-28943447 ext:3102 FAX: 886-2-28907689 ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Seednet Webmail http://webmail.seed.net.tw ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu