Bi Han - Can it be that you are using a well known 2D modeling tool? If so then be careful with how you interpret the term "Ideal Ground". For the 2D modeling tool this means "Return Path".=20 Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Pager/Short Message: 3032042974@xxxxxxxx Email: charles.grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Email Alternate: chasgrasso@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] = On Behalf Of Bi Han Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 12:19 AM To: List` Si Subject: [SI-LIST] What can we get from solid ground plane? In papers, I often read "solid ground plane" concept. Some papers will = treat it as reference node.=20 =20 As I know, ground plane could not be treated as "ideal ground" no matter = how good/wide/thick it is. The assumption behind it could be different = as I will present my understanding below. =20 From the view of EM modeling, this solid ground plane make "ground = reduction method" effictive and accurate. "ground reduction" means fold = ground plane RLCG into signal trace, thus ground plane could be treated = as ideal ground.=20 =20 From design view, the benefit I could see for now, is that solid ground = plane make each loop's mutual inductance minimal, thus minimize cross = talk. =20 Any different ideas? =20 thanks, Han =09 --------------------------------- = =D1=C5=BB=A2=C3=E2=B7=D1G=D3=CA=CF=E4=A3=AD=D6=D0=B9=FA=B5=DA=D2=BB=BE=F8= =CE=DE=C0=AC=BB=F8=D3=CA=BC=FE=C9=A7=C8=C5=B3=AC=B4=F3=D3=CA=CF=E4 = =D1=C5=BB=A2=D6=FA=CA=D6=A3=AD=CB=D1=CB=F7=A1=A2=C9=B1=B6=BE=A1=A2=B7=C0=C9= =A7=C8=C5 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu