Hello Peter, For a lossless line impedance is broadly independent of frequency. Er does have an effect but the impedance varies as 1/ Sq root Er so the variation from Er is typically not the key driver of impedance. On surface traces the soldermask fill between the traces and any line width variation on narrow traces can have more of an effect than simply the Er of the base material. In general the finer the line width the harder it gets to achieve a given tolerance, and yields will fall as you push to smaller line thicknesses. Innerlayers go through less processes and it is easier to achieve a given tolerance on an innerlayer. If you need more information, please feel free to contact me. Kind regards Martyn Gaudion www.polarinstruments.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu