All, Since DesignCon 2005 is fast approaching, I thought I'd bring up a technical topic that is near and dear to my heart. The last few years on this list, we have discussed various aspects of FR4 laminate properties and their effect on trace propagation. Well, having been "bit" a few times by unexpected skew caused by trace/weave allignment I would like to ask others to share their "experience, strengths and hope" on this subject. How close do you think it is possible to match the bus skew on epoxy fiberglass laminates? How close to you think you can match differential skew on epoxy fiberglass laminates? What do measurements tell us about laminate weaves? Are there methods to alleviate weave created skews? Have the methods been patented? This year, Chris Heard from Teradyne and myself will be presenting a paper at DesignCon that may be of interest and will cover these topics. The answers are quite surprising and may very well change your views on this topic and on the topic of bus timing closure. 4-TP2 The Impact of PCB Laminate Weave on the Electrical Performance of Differential Signaling at Multi-Gigabit Data Rates Tuesday, February 1 | 2:50pm - 3:30pm Scott McMorrow, Director of Engineering, Teraspeed Consulting Group Chris Heard, Hardware System Architect, Teradyne Connection Systems Variation in performance for laminates will be characterized and compared, to provide a framework for the worst case understanding of material influences on differential pair signaling. Measurements of PCB laminate weaves are made showing the variation of Er, loss Tangent and delay of traces in commonly used stackup configurations, for various material types, including FR-406 and Nelco 4000-13SI. These comparisons will be used to show designers the hidden impact of substrate material choices on design parameters such as: Er, loss, impedance control and skew. regards, scott -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu