In a message dated 9/10/01 6:14:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cheard@xxxxxxxxxx writes: > Can you comment on the effect on pcb thickness and therefore plated through > hole capacitance of running broadside coupled? Thickness certainly > increases which drives capacitance up which can dominate connector Zo > matching. Is this more significant a problem than localized differences in > Er and glass/resin? There are some companies talking about "counterboring" > plated through holes to virtually eliminate capacitance in order to get into > There are two subjects here, but please understand that when dealing with higher and higher clock and edge rates, ALL SI considerations become "significant." Therefore, all facets should be considered simultaneously, and, like so many other natural phenomena, some effects cancel or balance others. Our task is to properly meld these effects with judgement to yield an optimum design for the intended application. For broadside-coupled (BC) pairs, each specific board may be different. The number of layers, as well as the board thickness has an impact on the effective impedance and the effective length of each of the traces, as measured by time-of-flight of the signal component on each trace. Howard Johnson provided a good description of the considerations to be aware of some many months past (you might do a search of the archives). One way or another, the added signal path length of the trace most deeply buried needs to be accommodated. And, YES, the impact of the added capacitance of the longer vias associated with the thicker board must also be accommodated. Note that the impact of this added capacitance is stronger for edge-coupled (EC) pairs than BC pairs, and can often be 20 to 30 Ohms for a 100-Ohm pair. Much of the impact on EC pairs can be mitigated by transitioning the maximum distance through the connector and package pin through-holes; i.e., the through-hole inductance can be balanced with the capacitance to approach a 50-Ohm single-ended trace. To date, I've never had to use counter-boring to achieve reliable performance; however, the technical validity of the approach has been verified and reported in papers by AMP (check their web site). The cost also has (so far) kept me from recommending that approach to my clients. When performance demands, and cost is not dominant, I would probably consider sequential lamination buildup of the board to achieve shorter copper penetration into the board for the high-speed traces (as opposed to the counter bore approach). If deemed necessary, this approach should be worked directly with your board fabricator to obtain a technically adequate solution at the lowest cost. Mike Michael L. Conn Owner/Principal Consultant Mikon Consulting (408)727-5697 *** Serving Your Needs with technical Excellence *** ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu