And a 3rd question: IF the 'screen' isn't at RF ground, might it not have some interesting resonances of it's own at frequencies removed from the plane resonance frequencies where it might radiate? -Ray Raymond Anderson Senior Signal Integrity Staff Engineer Product Technology Department Advanced Package R&D Xilinx Inc. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grasso, Charles Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:08 AM To: 'vijayis@xxxxxxxx'; 'si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Thesis (Eliminating package resonances due to standing waves) Congratulations on a nice presentation.=20 First a question: As I understand it, your technique is to add a 40mils thick piece of copper in a "screen" inbetween the planes.? OK a second question (!) - I assume that the screen is NOT connected to either of the planes.? Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Pager/Short Message: 3032042974@xxxxxxxx Email: charles.grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx; =20 Email Alternate: chasgrasso@xxxxxxxx =20 -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vijay B Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:15 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Thesis (Eliminating package resonances due to standing waves) Hello, I recently graduated with an M.S in EE from State University of New York at Binghamton. My thesis was in eliminating package resonances due to standing waves formed due to propagation and reflection of radial waves in between power and ground planes. I would like to share the presentation with the list. We incorporated a metal screen in between the power and ground planes of a board to act as a distributed capacitor arrangement. We used Speed2000 to model the setup and we confirmed simulations with measurements on a hardware model using a vector network analyzer. We concluded that with this approach we can eliminate all resonances due to standing waves upto 10 GHz (may be even higher) on a 4"X5" board by incorporating a screen of appropouriate dimension and a dielectric with low dielectric constant. If anyone is interested in the topic please go to http://bingweb.binghamton.edu/~bj95053/ and open the file "Thesis Presentation". It is a power point file. If you have any questions or comments on this I would be happy to hear from you. Thanks. Regards, Vijay --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu