William, Crosstalk noise varies greatly with distance between traces as well as the height of the trace above the reference plane. If you have already used sufficient separation between adjacent traces, you may not see much improvement from placing a guard trace in between. Refer to this article by Dr. Eric Bogatin for details http://www.altera.com/technology/signal/columns/2006/2006-10-oct_1.html Hope this helps, Salman Jiva Altera Corporation Technical Marketing Engineer -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Coombs, William B. (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:03 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Shielding clock traces on PCB's =3D20 Hello all, In regards to noise reduction, how effective do guard traces seem to be? Iv'e experimented with Hyperlynx by simulating my clock lines=3D20 on the spectrum analyzer. These clock lines were simulated with=3D20 and without grounded guard traces wrapped around the clock traces.=3D20 The results showed little to no noise reduction with the addition of the guard traces. The clock lines & guard traces were routed on an internal layer in=3D20 a dual-stripline Stackup. Thanks. William B. Coombs BAE Systems (973)636-7463 Email:William.Coombs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu