What was the distance to the guard trace vs. the distance to the nearest reference plane? I have never found guard traces to be very useful when dealing with dialectrics in the 4-5 mil range since you'll get even better noise immunity due to the plane and, with thin dialectrics, you'll be closer to the plane than the guard trace. Rather than use the guard trace, just put in an extra keepout area that takes up the same amount of space. For instance, if you have a 5 mil space to the guard trace, a 5 mil guard/ground trace, and a 5 mil space to the next trace on that layer, just get rid of the guard trace and put a 15 mil keepaway. With a 5 mil dialectric, that's a 3H spacing. You get the same effect but save a couple of drills. (Simple is better, right?) On critical clock traces, I usually shoot for 4H or 5H, but that isn't achievable in many cases, so 3H is a common minimum that I use and I don't bother with the guard trace. However, I do make sure that I have a nice ground via stitching the ground planes together as close as possible to the high-speed signal or clock via(s). -Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >Behalf Of Coombs, William B. (US SSA) >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:03 PM >To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [SI-LIST] Shielding clock traces on PCB's > >=3D20 >Hello all, > >In regards to noise reduction, how effective do guard traces >seem to be? > >Iv'e experimented with Hyperlynx by simulating my clock lines=3D20 >on the spectrum analyzer. These clock lines were simulated with=3D20 >and without grounded guard traces wrapped around the clock traces.=3D20 >The results showed little to no noise reduction with the addition >of the guard traces. > >The clock lines & guard traces were routed on an internal layer in=3D20 >a dual-stripline Stackup. > >Thanks. > >William B. Coombs >BAE Systems >(973)636-7463 >Email:William.Coombs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu