Dear Chris I have done some simulation about the return path of VRM. There is a lot noise in the return path of VRM. The simulation about digital signal is too complex for there are too many digital nets on the PCB. I have not done it. Best Regards Zhangkun 2004.2.23 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris McGrath" <chris.mcgrath@xxxxxxxx> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Separate GND for Analog & Digital > > I agree that the main issue is to isolate the return paths by connecting > the grounds together at a single point and this is a pretty easy thing > to do and you don't need additional ground planes to do it. > > That having been said, Zhangkun mentioned some CAD tools that can do > simulations to test this. Forgive my ignorance, but would this be in > the form of setting up digital aggressor nets to determine if they have > any affect on the analog areas in this isolated ground area? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zhangkun [mailto:zhang_kun@xxxxxxxxxx]=20 > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:13 PM > > To: maheshwari@xxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Separate GND for Analog & Digital > >=20 > >=20 > > Dear Maheshwari > >=20 > > We have come cross the simular problem. The critial point is=20 > > to prevent return path of digital signal disturbing the analog signal. > >=20 > > In one of our PCB, there is too much digital noise in analog=20 > > signal. We have to repair it. How to seperate the ground=20 > > seemed to be the most important problem. One is to seperate=20 > > the ground and to connect the digital ground and analog=20 > > ground at one point. The other is not to seperate the ground.=20 > > In order to make sure that the product is OK, we made two=20 > > boards, seperated and not seperated. In the test, both boards are OK. > >=20 > > It has nothing to do with seperating ground or not. Being=20 > > care of the digital return path is the most important. Some=20 > > CAD tools could do such simulation. > >=20 > > I hope this will help. > >=20 > > Best Regards > >=20 > > Zhangkun > > 2004.2.20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Maheshwari.P" <maheshwari@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:41 PM > > Subject: [SI-LIST] Separate GND for Analog & Digital > >=20 > >=20 > > > Hi All, > > >=20 > > > I am designing boards which contain Audio and Video codecs.=20 > > I need to=20 > > > pass analog signal to the corresponding decoders without much noise. > > >=20 > > > Is it better to have separate analog and digital GND? > > > or > > >=20 > > > Is it better to have a solid GND and have separate analog=20 > > and digital=20 > > > sections? > > >=20 > > > Which of the either way will give better results in terms=20 > > of audio and=20 > > > video quality? > > >=20 > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Maheshwari > > >=20 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the=20 > > Subject field > > >=20 > > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:=20 > > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > >=20 > > > For help: > > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > >=20 > > > List technical documents are available at: > > > http://www.si-list.org > > >=20 > > > List archives are viewable at: =20 > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > > or at our remote archives:=20 > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > =20 > > >=20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >=20 > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:=20 > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >=20 > > For help: > >=20 > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >=20 > > List technical documents are available at: > > http://www.si-list.org > >=20 > > List archives are viewable at: =20 > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > =20 > >=20 > >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu