No, "copper thieving" is essential for getting good etch performance on = the board during FAB. =20 When etching a board that contains very fine features (typically < 4mil = trace, 4mil gap; depends on FAB vendor's capability), it is important = that the acidity of the chemical etch near the board surface be kept = constant. Large areas of copper will decrease the acidity (as it is = dissolved) of the solution near those areas, creating a non-uniform = chemical profile across the board - which is not good. By thieving, or = stealing, the copper from the solution (i.e. by not etching it away) the = board manufacturer can decrease the non-uniformity of the etch solution = and better control the fine feature performance. Regards, James Tidman Sr. Member Technical Staff Banderacom <http://www.banderacom.com/> -----Original Message----- From: Alex McPheeters [mailto:amcpheeters@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:43 AM To: htmguy@xxxxxxxxx; Jason.d.Leung@xxxxxxxxxxx; Anders Ekholm (ERA) Cc: scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; RayCaliendo@xxxxxxxxxx; silist Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SV: Re: Copper Fill --- correction The little square pads applied by the PCB vendor which you are referring = to are probably "thieving" as in "stealing", they are applied to prevent soldier from washing to heavily into areas with many, many small = discretes during the wave process. Note when you see this distinctive grid = pattern that it will be roughly aligned with the direction of the wave and ahead = of the area the fabricator is concerned will have issues during assembly. There are many resultant issues when thieving is not used, the most well known is probably "tombstoning" where small discretes aligned with the = wave end up standing on end due to the force of the soldier "wave". hydrostatic action of the thieving pads prevents this from happening by decreasing the volume of soldier traveling into densely populated areas. At 07:12 AM 6/14/02 -0700, Mellberg Hans wrote: > >Usually the PCB vendor will determine if a certain >amount of copper fill is required. I have seen some >motherboards with little square pads that varried in >size to compensate (or "balance") for the copper on >the other side of that laminate. The fill was not on >the layout. The same design by another PCB vendor did >not use copper balance fill. The performace was >similar except for some additional EMI from the board >with the extra fill. > >--- Jason D Leung <Jason.d.Leung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Hi Anders Ekholm: >> thanks >> then how do we know when it is necessary for us to >> have copper balance, and how much >> copper we should be using to do the job >>=20 >> best Regards >> Jason >>=20 >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: =20 > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > =20 Alex McPheeters Vice President, Business Development American Computer Development Inc. Office - (301) 620-0900 Fax - (301) 620-9099 Cell - (301) 305-3051 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu