So it has been shown by some smart engineers that there is a benefit, but it cannot be realized because no such part is available. I also wonder if the added inductance of a discrete series 0402 resistor makes that option not viable. Joel -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of steve weir Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:57 PM To: Joel Brown Cc: leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Scott McMorrow'; 'QU Perry'; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: 6 layers stackup Joel, controlled / high ESR caps are rare birds. Istvan has been championing them for years nd some parts have been made. If you are prepared to buy 100,000,000 at a shot you might get somewhere w/ the manufacturers. But right now, most are running their lines to capacity w/ commodity parts. Regards, Steve. Joel Brown wrote: > While we are all talking about bypass caps, I just got done reading a > book by Bruce Archambeault called "PCB Design for Real-World EMI > Control". In the book there is a chapter on bypassing and it shows > measurements from actual test boards. In one case, a certain percentage of the caps are "high ESR" > which seems to result in substantial damping (reduction) of the resonances. > The high ESR caps are described as ceramic capacitors with a series > resistor built into the package, I have been unable to find such a > part. Has anybody found a benefit to this approach and a source for high ESR capacitors? > > Thanks - Joel > > > > > -- Steve Weir Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 California office (408) 884-3985 Business (707) 780-1951 Fax Main office (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax Oregon office (503) 430-1065 Business (503) 430-1285 Fax http://www.teraspeed.com This e-mail contains proprietary and confidential intellectual property of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------- Teraspeed(R) is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu