Good luck in handling the receiver designs I've seen. A little bird reminded me that a few moon's ago some not so smart individual worked with some very smart vendors to tackle the behavioral receiver problem on a very specific but relatively simple receiver. From that experience one can clear see the limitation of behavioral models when it comes to representing receiver performance. And how fast did those behavioral receiver models run again ? ;-D That was many moons ago (what took the rest of you so along btw) and the complexity of receiver designs have exponentially grown since then. But then again, I am just a dumb, stubborn and die hard SPICE kinda guy. One step ahead, that's all I need..... -----Original Message----- From: Muranyi, Arpad To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 4/25/2004 9:51 PM Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: [SI-LIST]: Which tool is the best - LINPARdisc ussion Chris, I don't think any of us IBIS proponents ever claimed that IBIS models were capable of modeling receivers as you like to use them. That was something that traditional IBIS did not cover, period. However, now that the IBIS 4.1 specification added the VHDL-AMS and Verilog-AMS language extensions, we actually DO have the capability to write behavioral models to even do that, if you like. Arpad Muranyi Intel Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu