Hi, =20 I have to simulate 8-layer PCBs with a particular stackup: =20 TOP =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DGND Plane with DISCONTINUITY Dielectric 1 INNER 1 =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D = SIGNALs Dielectric 2 INNER 2 =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D=3D =3D = SIGNALs Dielectric 3 INNER 3 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DCONTINUOUS GND Plane ........ etc .... =20 =20 IMPORTANT:=20 TOP-Layer has a GND plane with many and relativ great = discontinuities thickness dielectric 1 and 2 =3D 0,050 mm ! thickness dielectric 3 =3D 0,350 mm ! ! =20 Conclusion: a signal traces has partial 2 reference planes (0,050 mm = and 0,400 mm), partial only one reference plane (0,400 mm).=20 Yes, I know, there is better solutions. But I have to simulate also = THIS solution. =20 What Signal Integrity toll have you attended that are worthwhile=20 to simulate this particular structure ? =20 Thanks for your time. =20 Best regards=20 Liviu Craciun=20 HARMAN / BECKER AUTOMOTIVE SYSTEMS=20 ______________________________________________________=20 Becker GmbH - Im St=F6ckm=E4dle 1 - 76307 Karlsbad - Germany=20 Dipl.- Ing. Liviu Craciun=20 product engineering group=20 PDE-HW2, Produktentwicklung Hardware=20 phone: +49 (0) 7248 - 71 - 1614=20 fax: +49 (0) 7248 - 71 - 1205=20 eMail: LCraciun@xxxxxxxxx=20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu