Aubrey It all depends on where the grounds are, now doesn't it. call me Scott -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed® is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Aubrey Sparkman wrote: > All, > I had in interesting idea proposed to be my our layout guy -- he said the > routing would go faster if he could place transition vias on 50 mil centers. > Our board is 110 mils thick, 20 layers, 2 microstrip, 6 internal stripline > routing layers. > I'm interested in your thoughts on comparing 2 cases -- Scenario B where the > diff pair transition vias are on a 50 mil grid and Scenario C where the via > pairs are on 30 mil centers with 90 mils center to center between two > different pairs. In both cases, 150 mils center to center of outer vias. > > Text graphic attempt to show via locations: > p n p n > Scenario B: O O O O > > p n p n > Scenario C: O O O O > > The diff pairs involved are PCIe Gen2 and the 100MHz PCIe Ref Clks. > > In Scenario B, the diff pairs on layer Y route between the P and N vias > transtioning from layer X to layer Z and there is always more than 40 mils > between diff pairs. > pn pn pn > p | | n | | p | | n > Scenario B: O | | O | | O | | O > | | | | | | > > In Scenario C, the diff pairs on layer Y do not route between the P and N > vias transtioning from layer X to layer Z but the gap between the diff pairs > goes down to 10 mils to get between the via pairs. > > pn pn pn > | | | | | | > | | | | | | > p n | | | | | | p n > Scenario C: O O | | | | | | O O > | | | | | | > | | | | | | > | | | | | | > > Comments? > > Aubrey Sparkman > 512-461-6165 > Aubrey.K.Sparkman@xxxxxxxx > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu