Geez, The guy that started this, some time ago, is probably feeling that his head had been put in a blender. While we all now understand the problem, perhaps we should tell him that he should look at hiring a consultant if he is going over something like 10^8 Hz. =20 We all would like to help him just get a feel for the problem. If it goes really fast, sometimes you need something outside your expertise.=20 dav0 David Lieby PS: Please clip out the kruft. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott McMorrow Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:43 PM To: steven.salkow@xxxxxxxx Cc: chand basha; PaulClarke@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: ROOKIE: Anti-Pad Size Effect On Signal Integrity: By the formula, as F goes up, Xc goes down (was up by typo) Steven Unfortunately, both the the paper and Dr Johnson's work are accurate=20 only in the quasi-static domain. Our work on launches has shown that=20 quasi-static analysis and models for vias are not very useful, except as a first order approximation. By using full-wave techniques, we can push via cutoff frequencies up to 40 GHz.=20 We have a few slides on our website under publications that discuss=20 high-performance via and launch issues. *Evaluation of a Single Via in the Frequency Domain **Hybrid Solver and Measurement Based Design **Electrically Transparent 50 Gbps Board-to-Board Interconnect best regards, Scott * Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed(r) is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Salkow, Steven wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu