Hi Ravinder, What if there is no GND plane (e.g., 2 layer PCB), is the loosely coupled scheme still favored over the tightly coupled one? Thanks, -Adnan -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ravinder.Ajmani@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 1:18 PM To: shemshak Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Questions on GND Ref Plane and Diff pair coupling Hi Shemshak, The coupling between the two lines is much smaller than the coupling each=20 line has with the adjacent plane. Hence any discontinuity in the return plane will affect signal propagation. Absence of a ground plane will also=20 result in higher crosstalk. If you are not short on routing space then loosely coupled traces are=20 better than the tightly coupled. In such a configuration you need not=20 route traces next to each other, and it is easier to maintain equal length=20 around vias etc. Regards, Ravinder Server PCB Development Hitachi Global Storage Technologies Email: Ravinder.Ajmani@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx shemshak <shemshak1@xxxxxxxxx>=20 Sent by: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 03/18/2008 12:37 PM To si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject [SI-LIST] Questions on GND Ref Plane and Diff pair coupling Hi all, I have two questions which I really appreciate your feedback on them. 1) If we have differentail pairs which they can reference to each other=20 (one signal and the other as the return path), then do still need to have=20 GND plane adjacent to these signals for the return path? I think the=20 answer is yes, we need GND plane, but why? 2) When do we use loosly coupled vs tightly coupled differential pairs?=20 When would be better to use one over the other. thanks, Shemshak =20 ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Looking for last minute shopping deals?=20 Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. =20 http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=3Dshopping ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at:=20 =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: =20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu