Pat; Using approach #3 we have designed several RX/Tx pairs with wirebond = that have=20 bettr than 15db retuen loss at 15Ghz, It takes mulitiple iterations to = get down=20 to the performance that is expected from Flip chip.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Pat Diao [mailto:Pat_Diao@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:49 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Question on Impedance Control I think enough has been discussed about using a 2D solver to determine = the trace W/S and di-e thickness to achieve the desired impedance - = single-ended or differencial. However, in a real package other than flipchip/CSP, bond wires are = needed for the die to traces connection. As such, no matter how well it is controlled on the traces, the presence of bond wire will always throw = the impedance off (usually higher). So here are the questions about how this is handled in practice: 1. Design the traces to the targeted 50 or 100 ohm and ignore the effect = of wires, hoping for the best? 2. Pre-lower the trace impedance in design in anticipating the effect of wire? 3. Use 3D simulation on the designed wire + trace struction to calculate = the actual impedance? Feedback appreciated. Pat=20 Pat Diao ASAT Fremont, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu