Charles, If this is the technique described in the IPC documentation if I remember correctly the reason for looking only at the first portion of the waveform was to minimize any perceived rise in impedance caused by the resistive component on a long trace. I believe there was input from some of the NIST staff in the development of this technique. (it was quite a while back when I was asked to review the draft of the docs prior to IPC publication so hopefully I am remembering this correctly). As far as 'average-mean' goes I'm don't have an answer. Regards, -Ray Raymond Anderson Senior Signal Integrity Staff Engineer Product Technology Department Advanced Package R&D Xilinx Inc. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grasso, Charles Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:55 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Q on TDR coupon measurements Hi all, =20 In researching the "state-of-the-art" for TDR measurement I ran across an interesting measurement that I would welcome comments on from the group. After the coupon has been probed, the impedance is only measured over a small portion (<25%) of the resultant waveform and then using an "average mean* technique for reporting the impedance values. =20 In the opinion of the group - is this a valid technique? What are the reasons for only using a small portion of the waveform ? Does anyone know what an *average mean* value is?? =20 Thanks in advance!! Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Pager/Short Message: 3032042974@xxxxxxxx Email: charles.grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Email Alternate: chasgrasso@xxxxxxxx =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu