Steve - You're in for a doozie of a nightmare. However this one you can quantify! Run a few simple sims you'll see the need for the grounds. A modeling tool like Ansoft 2D extractor will help in your analysis. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Steve Mercer Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 4:04 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] PMC connector with no ground returns SI-List Members, I have an application that requires using all 64 available pins on a PMC connector for data signals (i.e. no local ground returns). The signals are 3.3V single-ended data lines with a rise time on the order of 1ns. The data will be sampled at 133MHz. The connector in question will be one of a grouping of four (in a standard PMC arrangement) and the other three connectors have plenty of ground pins. My question is this: What nightmares can I expect with regard to crosstalk, ground bounce, EMI, and signal integrity in general, and how much will the available grounds on the adjacent connectors lessen the undesirable effects? Regards, Steve Mercer, P.Eng. SBS Technologies (Canada), Inc. 101 Randall Dr. Phone (519) 880 8228 Waterloo ON Fax (519) 880 8118 N2V 1C5 smercer@xxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu