[SI-LIST] Re: PDN measurement references
- From: Ivor Bowden <bowden.ivor@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Istvan Novak <istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 22:23:02 -0700
Hi Istvan,
Thank you for noting that, with less generic inquiry I may
find more specific responses, and for the elucidating list
of facets. I apologize for my generality.
My interest is to expand my knowledge and apply to specific
cases, evaluation of PCB structure with regards to PDN
(AC/DC) impedance as seen by device mounted on it, including
effects of other PDN components such as decoupling caps.
I have SW/HW tools, e.g. Ansys Q3D for model extraction, ADS
for simulation, VNA E5071C for physical measurements.
And I have quite a bit of material to review already, thanks
to you and others' kind postings!
Regards,
Ivor
On 7/7/2014 6:10 AM, Istvan Novak wrote:
> Ivor,
>
> To be more specific with answers, you would need to be
> more specific with the questions.
> You said basic PDN simulations and measurements.
> But is it for only one or any combination or for all of
> the followings?
> - DC drop analysis
> - DC power dissipation, current density
> - thermal, reliability
> - low-frequency DC-DC converters
> - PCB only
> - package only
> - silicon only
> - PCB plus package plus silicon
> - EMC effects
> - SI interactions
> - do you want to limit yourself to tools you already have
> (if yes, what are those)
> - if you are in the position of investing in additional
> HW/SW, what are the constraints
> - is this for a specific project, or generic learning for
> future projects or academic interest
>
> Tools, techniques, simulators, HW instruments, probes,
> measurement techniques will largely depend on the above.
>
> Best regards,
> Istvan Novak
> Oracle
>
>
>
> On 7/6/2014 11:53 PM, Ivor Bowden wrote:
>> Hi Lee,
>>
>> Thank you for your suggestion. I do have and read the
>> "commercial" version of your excellent Right The First Time
>> book, and Chapter 37 (John Zasio) is close to the type of
>> information I'm looking for. I also found High Speed PCB
>> Design (1 used from $199 on Amazon).
>>
>> I'm specifically looking for basic PDN measurement
>> (simulation & physical) techniques (as opposed to design
>> techniques, for example). Do you have more specific
>> recommendation?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ivor
>>
>> On 7/6/2014 5:26 PM, Lee wrote:
>>> Ivor,
>>>
>>> Try my books. We cover the topics you are interested in.
>>>
>>> Lee Ritchey
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ivor Bowden Sent:
>>> Saturday, July 05, 2014 3:56 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [SI-LIST] PDN measurement references
>>> Hi SI community,
>>> Can anyone suggest references (documents, app notes,
>>> books, etc) about PDN measurement methods, for both
>>> simulation and physical? Focus on basics: practical
>>> techniques, tips, caveats, etc. Searching finds many
>>> results, so looking for specific recommendations.
>>> Thanks, Ivor
>>>
>>>
>
>
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