Fred Balistreri sent me a good comment in a private message, and I feel it should be posted here with my response. Fred, You are right, I was just thinking too old fashioned when signals went supply rail to supply rail. It really should be with respect to Vol, and Voh, or in some cases Vtt, etc... Arpad ============================================================ -----Original Message----- From: Fred Balistreri [mailto:fred@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:47 AM To: arpad.muranyi@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: PCI-X Specification! - or meaning of overshoot? Hello Arpad, in your opinion should over/under shoot be specified by the rail voltage or max/min vol, voh values? The rail works for traditional push/pull CMOS. But what about TTL, ECL, GTL and others? Best Regards, ============================================================ -----Original Message----- From: Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:36 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] PCI-X Specification! - or meaning of overshoot? Regarding the definition of overshoot... Another favorite point I like to pick on is that many refer to a waveform that reaches 6 volts in a 5 volt system as a 6 V overshoot without ever mentioning what the rail voltage is! In in reality this waveform went only 1 volt above the rail voltage, that is, the overshoot was only 1 V, not 6 V! So either include the rail voltage in your report if you are referring to the absolute voltage of 6 volts or call it a (rail voltage relative) 1 volt overshoot... Arpad Muranyi Intel Corporation ============================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu