What I never understood (though I successfully designed a PCI-bus-equipped board in the past, 33MHz, which was easy - with this speed you do have lots of slack) is the idea behind the whole PCI mess. Reading the MindShare Book (probably the best book for a PCI designer), the main Idea I understood - it is a "green" bus, hence the whimpy drivers, long slew rates, possible stepping and ... uhhhh... reflective switching. Now, if you want the maximum speed (and the 66MHz is fast! Everything above 30MHz is fast enough to require some attention of the designing engineer) you want minimum setup time. The reflective switching adds the reflective run to the setup timing, possibly doubling it in the worst case. This way you have very short bus with few (if any!) loads allowed. Now, if the "green" architecture is behind all this, tell me, how much energy on the whole computer scale (percent-wise) do you really save on the PCI data transfer? And is it worth it to complicate the design? After all, if the CPU and memory use 133, 266, 400MHz transfer speeds, which are also incindent-type, and by no means could be considered "green", why discriminate against peripherals, which are also becoming inreasingly fast and require faster and faster transfer rates. If 6 years ago a rate of 3-6MBs for a graphic card was considered a "greased lightening" (exerpted from MATROX ad in a magazine), today it is a "dead snail". A harddisk became few times faster than memory used to be. Why keep using PCI? Mike N. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Peyton [mailto:p2rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:44 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: PCI at 66 Mhz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran across this today, I thought it would be of interest to whomever started the above subject. "Electrical -design considerations for PCI-X & 66MHz PCI Cards" in EDN Magazine. http://www.e-insite.net/ednmag/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA152874&p ubdate=8/30/01 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu