I like stack-up 2 with the suggestion of turning one of the internal power planes to a ground plane. Here is why: Many times you will get lower emissions from a product by routing your clock traces on the outer layers (assuming they are over a ground plane). I first saw this in an IEEE EMC conference paper and experience bears it out.=20 The second reason is that your devices (also sources of noise) are mounted on the outside of the board. In stack-up 2, this means they are directly over the ground layer, also increasing coupling to ground. So from an EMC perspective stack-up two (with an internal ground layer next to the power layer) is best. Curt=20 Curt McNamara // senior electrical engineer=20 Logic Product Development 411 Washington Ave. N. Suite 400=20 Minneapolis, MN 55401 T // 612.436.5178 F // 612.672.9489=20 www.logicpd.com / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kindt, Jan Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 6:26 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] PCB layer stackup Hi, =20 I need to specify a 8layer board. Fastest edges on the board are on the 600Mbit LVDS channels : about 500ps. I have two stackups in mind : =20 stackup 1 stackup 2 --------------------------------------------------------- L1 routing routing Substrate L2 power plane GND Substrate L3 power plane routing Substrate L4 GND power plane Substrate L5 routing power plane Substrate L6 routing routing Substrate L7 GND GND Substrate L8 routing routing =20 Stackup 1 has the advantage that all routing on L5, L6 and L8 is referenced to GND. We need to push the LVDS channels over a board to board connector. On the board to board connector, there are GND's between separate pairs. So we keep the same reference to GND over the connector. =20 Stackup 2 is the stackup I would normally use due to it's symmetry. Signals on L3 and L6 are referenced to both GND and a power plane. But I don't know why I would need to favour stackup 2 over stackup 1. =20 Can you comment om which stackup is most preferred ? Or what are the drawbacks/advantages of one stackup to another. =20 best regards, Jan DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, the information contained in this message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message and/or attachments is strictly prohibited. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Furthermore, the company does not warrant a proper and complete transmission of this information, nor does it accept liability for any delays. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete the message. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu