One issue I have encountered with on-die decoupling is power bus resonance. This appears, in some cases, to dominate the EMC signature of the IC. Having the ability to switch in more or less on-die capacitance would provide a method to shift the resonant frequency if problems are encountered during system EMC testing. Modulation of the on-die C could be used to affect a type of spread spectrum. Dave Cuthbert On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Bradley Henson < Bradley_Henson-NR@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > The last std cell design I worked on was 90nm and had a DDR2-533. The > vendor provided a scalable model for the on-die transient and IR voltage > drop. As I recall it included die and package parasitics. We added on-die > I/O capacitance until we meet the vendor's release requirements > (reasonable IMO) for on-die droop/noise. Don't remember what the > capacitance was that we ended up with per driver, but by using a special > on-die cap, we managed to get a lot more than I thought could be possible. > The results looked good in the lab post-fab. In any event, I don't see > how you can proceed without detailed simulations by you or your > semi-vendor? > best regards and good luck > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu