The way I account for clock convergence in a spreadsheet is exactly how PCI does it : It's skew and it always hurts you - in other words it's subtracted in both the setup and hold time equations. So, if we have two synchronous chips interfacing w/ each other, the skew between them is another equation that has several components : jitter, routing, clk buffer skew..... The results are then used in the board's setup / hold time equations. This skew does not include any insertion delay of an asic or fpga. That is accounted for in a different way. best regards. Jim Peterson Honeywell -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ray Anderson Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 1:51 PM To: jonpowell@xxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: On a different note .... Jon Powell wrote: > > >How do you handle clock re-convergence with a spread sheet? >(Or is that no longer a consideration in most digital systems with >source synchronous clocking). > >jon > > > > > Jon- Not a spreadsheet app, but you might want to check out the program available from U of Wisc. at the following URL: http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~jltsai/CTune/ Can't vouch for it one way or another as clock convergence and such isn't really my area of expertise. Perhaps those in the know can comment. -Ray ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu