[SI-LIST] Re: [OT] Offshore engineering
- From: Sainath Nimmagadda <intrinsi@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: alexh1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, silist <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:13:57 -0800 (PST)
Alex,
>Technologies like software, layout and consumer product design can be mastered
>>offshore but cutting edge skills like signal integrity won't be mastered as
>easily.
Above statement gives much relief and may offer solution to our predicament.
Which particular aspects of SI are difficult to master offshore? Please answer
this and I won't worry about offshore engineering.
Regards,
Sainath
Alex Horvath <alexh1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think some here may be exaggerating the capability of the engineering talent
offshore. I have worked with over a dozen individuals on temporary work visas.
They were paid very low wages but were placed in the company by recruitment
firms specializing in temporary offshore engineering talent. In general they
had very good academic skills but virtually no practical experience. In most
cases we had to redo most of what they did and in at least 2 cases the managers
said he would not use that source again and was very disappointed in skills of
these individuals.
Technologies like software, layout and consumer product design can be mastered
offshore but cutting edge skills like signal integrity won't be mastered as
easily. I think the lesson here is to keep your skills at a high level. Of
course many managers seem to believe that engineering talent is a commodity and
can be interchanged at will with no consequences. Those companies will suffer
or fail. I have seen it happen on numerous occasions.
Scott McMorrow wrote:
Aubrey,
Eventually your only defense is to work for yourself, or for a company
that honors individuals and their contribution. Just because you're
paranoid about companies out sourcing engineering jobs to other
countries, doesn't mean you're delusional. But, until we engineers quit
being loners, subject to splitting and triangulation by management, and
band together for our common good, we are destined to see a huge "brain
drain" offshore. Eventually a person has to stand up and be counted and
say, "I'm sorry, I will not train my replacement," whether they be local
or off shore talent, and then move on to a place where your skills are
appreciated.
Just remember what I once heard from a consultant friend:
When you work for a company, you have the illusion of security.
When you work for yourself, you have the illusion of freedom.
The question is, what illusion would you like to live your life as an
engineer under? Personally, I choose the illusion of freedom. I then
have to deal with the reality of having a bastard for a boss.
scott
Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx wrote:
>Like Robert, I have usually been a free-market person. And Patrick's
>comments on helping others get started sound good. Patrick also makes the
>good point of exporting jobs to the extend of loosing that skill in the home
>country, no matter whether the home country is US, France, or other. So,
>what's the right thing to do?
>I fully support collaboration where both parties grow and learn together.
>But I have a problem with being asked to train my replacement in a
>developing country. As far as I can tell, my only defense is to keep
>learning and stay on the bleeding edge. What other options do I have?
>
>Aubrey Sparkman
>
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Robert Sefton [mailto:rsefton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:24 AM
>>To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: [OT] Offshore engineering
>>
>>
>>I enthusiastically agree that this is a relevant and very interesting
>>topic. I wish more people would chime in because I don't have a good
>>feel yet for where the majority stands on it. There was a
>>long thread on
>>this same topic on the [pcdlist] several weeks ago, and the PCB layout
>>community is downright scared about the offshore trend in
>>that industry.
>>
>>My opinion: I have almost blind faith in the free market as
>>the ultimate
>>equalizer. In the long term the market will decide the most efficient
>>model for each phase of product development, and it may be
>>that the most
>>efficient model right now is cheap foreign engineers. Could
>>be a painful
>>next couple of decades for engineers in the U.S., but I also
>>have almost
>>blind faith that the U.S. has the closest thing on this
>>planet to a true
>>free market and will always rise to the top eventually. I say let the
>>market rule.
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Zabinski, Patrick J."
>>To:
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:22 AM
>>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: [OT] Offshore engineering
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Martin,
>>>
>>>Although not necessarily a technical topic, I do believe
>>>the topic is relevant to this forum (albeit we should
>>>constrain such discussions to a minimum).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>To unsubscribe from si-list:
>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field
>>
>>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
>>//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list
>>
>>For help:
>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field
>>
>>List technical documents are available at:
>> http:/www.si-list.org
>>
>>List archives are viewable at:
>> //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
>>or at our remote archives:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages
>>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
>> http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe from si-list:
>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field
>
>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
>//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list
>
>For help:
>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field
>
>List technical documents are available at:
> http:/www.si-list.org
>
>List archives are viewable at:
> //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
>or at our remote archives:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages
>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
> http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
>
>
>
>
--
Scott McMorrow
Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
2926 SE Yamhill St.
Portland, OR 97214
(503) 239-5536
http://www.teraspeed.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe from si-list:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field
or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list
For help:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field
List technical documents are available at:
http:/www.si-list.org
List archives are viewable at:
//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
or at our remote archives:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages
Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe from si-list:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field
or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list
For help:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field
List technical documents are available at:
http:/www.si-list.org
List archives are viewable at:
//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
or at our remote archives:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages
Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard
------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe from si-list:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field
or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list
For help:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field
List technical documents are available at:
http:/www.si-list.org
List archives are viewable at:
//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
or at our remote archives:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages
Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
Other related posts:
