I remember helping to design cache memory using un-terminated trace stubs of precise topology and placement so the existence of a charge could be read on a subsequent clock cycle (for a well-known Super-Comp mfg). Edge rates at the time (mid to late 80s) were moving at the speed of smell; nonetheless we had to use transmission-line analysis with the tools that we had at the time. And I do recollect a 3-d teraflop computer circa 1989 that we (an SI team) looked at as well. D, have you gone to the various electromagnetic modeling software vendors and seen their "success stories"? electromagnetic modeling and system simulation, signal integrity and the like are fairly mature disciplines and there are many tools and experts. What you ought not to do is to rush into some of these tools as they have a learning curve so up front, you need to sensitize your management that it is a commitment and should be a "core competency". Good Luck, I was where you are now, back in 1986. It has been a great career. Regards, _________________________ Russell D. Moser The Orion Group r.moser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.theoriongroup.net 717.503.6682 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of D Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:13 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Needed - compelling examples of SI failures and associated impacts Dear experts, I work for one of the largest aerospace companies in the world. Our systems are unbelievably complex although our digital edge rates are only recently starting to cause our interfaces to behave in a distributed manner. I have been on a crusade the past few months to convince management to form a signal integrity team and cast aside outdated rules of thumb and the "design it and hope that it works" mentality. I can't help but believe that some of you on this list have been in the same predicament. I am extremely interested in hearing your stories. More importantly, I am looking for examples and impacts of device, board, or system level catastrophic SI failures to help me drive home my point during my next attempt to show the decision makers the light. Thanks in advance for your help. Rgds, D ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu