Before the surface roughness starts to hit, the microstrip plating and possible solder mask on top of the microstrip copper already has an impact on the loss. The comment that stripline shows more loss at "lower frequencies" because it has a lossy dielectric on top and bottom is not fully correct. It depends what you have on top of the copper trace in a microstrip (i.e. plating) and how lossy the dielectric material of the stripline is. There has been some discussion on this topic before and a lot of good papers were presented at Designcon this year. Jose -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tesla Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:42 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Microstrip or stripline for date rates 10Gbps Hi, experts Sorry to take this thread out of box again. Have seen the old threads and papers, still want to listen your ideas. For board use medium loss material(ISOLA FR408), microstrip and stripline, which has less loss per inch below frequency 10GHz? In a ideal world, stripline show more loss due to all the electric field in the lossy dielectric. but the copper roughness change that battle because generally surface layer using rough copeer foil. Could someoney provide some advice or measured date or pulished papers about this issue? Thanks and Regards. Tesla. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu