I have used extensively the Cadence Concept(Orcad) /Allegro tool flow and the Mentor Expedition(Veribest) tool flow extensively. In my opinion, the Mentor Expedition is slightly better, due to the fact that it is a newer software, very well integrated, with excellent autorouting capabilities. And it integrates very well with ICX, Hyperlynx and its native SI tool. Expedition can read/write the data base for Allegro too (the reverse is not true, as far as i know). I think it can import/export databeses from BoardStation also. The Cadence tool flow is well integrated, the autorouter (Spectra-the old CC)is stellar and it has a good SI tool-SpectraQuest. If you have Allegro and BoardStation, it makes sense to migrate to Allegro altogether. It will be a good choice. --- David Kaiser <david.kaiser@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > This discussion about design tools comes at a good > time for us. > My question specifically concerns comparing Mentor > and Cadenc head to head. > > We use Cadence in California, and Mentor in > Colorado. (Result of a buyout). > We are investigating the possiblity of switching > from Mentor to Cadence.= > (Very expensive and time consuming change). This > would get both locations= > on the same tool platform, but that, in-and-of > itself, is not enough of a= > justification to spend so much money and time. > We're looking for clear= > advantages. > > Rather than listing all the different features of > each tool, I was just= > wondering if anyone is familiar enough with both > tools to point what they= > think might be "SIGNIFICANT" advantages of one tool > over the other, or if= > they are convinced the there are no advantages that > would justify such a= > major change in tools. > > For Mentor Layout we use Boardstation with AARE > 2004.1 > For SI we use ICX > > Our boards are extremely complex with lots of > multi-Gbs channels > Primary concerns include "constraints managment" and > "concurrent deisgn". > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > David Kaiser > Staff Electrical Engineer > McDATA Corp. > (720) 558-4431 > david.kaiser@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > SPECIAL NOTICE=0D > > All information transmitted hereby is intended only > for the use of the=0D > addressee(s) named above and may contain > confidential and privileged=0D > information. Any unauthorized review, use, > disclosure or distribution > of confidential and privileged information is > prohibited. If the reader of > this message is not the intended recipient(s) or the > employee or agent=0D > responsible for delivering the message to the > intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that you must not read this > transmission and that > disclosure, copying, printing, distribution or use > of any of the > information contained in or attached to this > transmission is STRICTLY=0D > PROHIBITED. > > Anyone who receives confidential and privileged > information in error should= > =0D > notify us immediately by telephone and mail the > original message to us at= > the > above address and destroy all copies. To the extent > any portion of this > communication contains public information, no such > restrictions=0D > apply to that information. (gate01) > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in > the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go > to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the > Subject field > > List FAQ wiki page is located at: > > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are > viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu