Kenny, I believe most SDRAM controllers either use an external match delay copy = of the clock to register read data input or an internal delay that = represents a nominal one-way flight time to the memory; or as Steve = mentioned, enough slop so that routing skew doesn't matter. I generally = probe clock at the memory for reads and probe the data at the = controller. Mike -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of steve weir Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:03 AM To: kenny_frohlich@xxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Memory Signal Integrity Kenny, you will always need to know the relationship between data and=20 clock at the sampler. So no matter where you look at the clock you=20 will need to normalize it to the die. SDR SDRAM has a lot of slop,=20 so you can tolerate errors in the analysis like looking at the clock=20 a moderate distance away without correction. Steve. At 09:12 PM 9/20/2006, Kenny Frohlich wrote: >Hi Expert, > I have a question on memory signal integrity: > For memory write cycle, both data and clock signals are probed at=20 > the memory device (SDRAM). > For memory read cycle, data signal is probed at the CPU (memory=20 > controller). But where should I probe the clock signal - at the=20 > CPU (source) or at the memory device (destination)? The clock=20 > signal is much cleaner at the memory device. > > Thanks, > Kenny > >--------------------------------- >Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo!=20 >Small Business. > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu