Jon There are several characteristics that may dictate the lower limit for a device. Silicon characteristics are only one. I'll bet the dominate one is mechanical, can the package/die interface tolerate the temperature extreme? Will the CTE cause the die to break away from the package? As you know CMOS devices get faster at lower temperature whereas bipolar get slower. Will a lower limit cause a part to go out of specification? Or stop functioning? Tom Dagostino Teraspeed Labs 13610 SW Harness Lane Beaverton, OR 97008 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 401-284-1827 Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jon Keeble Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:56 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Low Temperature Limit On this list, all signals are analog. So, hereabouts, what do you call a signal that is actually .. analog? First question (a bit off topic for this group): what determines the lower operating temperature of a silicon circuit? For instance, TI specifies the OPA2134 opamp from -55C to 125C. Is -55C as cold as it seems reasonable to measure, and the part will work down to liquid nitrogen? or does something stop working. Second question: why don't vendors specify noise / jitter as a function of temperature? A brief reading in the ieee electron devices department indicates that drain noise and other 'excess' noise in FETs is '4kT' style noise. These questions came up in the low frequency analog domain, but maybe relevant in Gbit circuits (?). Regards Jon Keeble ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu