There are a few problems with IC production testing. One is test time. Jitter testing, and PLL testing, can be slow. Every additional second you spend testing an IC, is a second you could have spent testing another IC. If you take 5 minutes testing each and every part, you'll never ship in volume. So it's not uncommon for IC vendors to sample-test some of those characteristics that take longer. Again, the hope is that the other tests you do on every part, will catch 99.99% of problems; but the assumption is that most PLL or jitter problems, also manifest themselves as something else measurable (like out-of-spec delays or Iddq, etc.). Off-hand, I would guess that test gear like the Wavecrest are used for exhaustive tests done on random samples and not every part. The other problem is at-speed testing. Often, for various practical reasons, the testing must be done at slower than normal or maximum speeds. As long as the test engineers have properly characterized the devices so that the slow speed testing catches most speed related problems, it may be deemed acceptable. It's a trade-off. As a simple example, you may not really need to test a NOR gate that has 50ps delays, and is capable of handling 2GHz, at 2GHz; when a single non-repetitive delay test on a rising edge and a falling edge may suffice (in addition to the usual DC tests). But unforeseen problems can happen that don't get caught, especially if they are limited to narrow frequency ranges only. What if your IC vendor tested his parts at maximum and minimum frequencies, but it only has the jitter problem at nominal? But if the IC vendor's parts are primarily digital -- and, oh, by the way, they also have a PLL in them -- they may not have considered problems like this. Their test engineers may not be well versed in analog characterization. I should also mention that a lot of ICs being bought and used, even by big companies, are grey market ICs that failed their manufacturer's testing. Said parts were probably sold as scrap to be disposed, but the folks they sold them to were unscrupulous and turned around and sold them onto the grey market, which these days seems to include normal distributors and resellers. This is not a small problem. You don't know what you're getting unless you buy direct from the manufacturer. (Someone on another list is giving away a batch of bad grey market ICs that he bought through a distributor.) Regards, Andy ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu