I am also learning from Thierauf's book. It came recommended by the SIGINT expert we once had here. BTW, thanks for the video link, Doug. "Rich" Wright Electrical (Hardware) Engineer richard.wright@xxxxxxx | www.ncr.com -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yuriy Shlepnev Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 5:11 PM To: billh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Stephen.Lin@xxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Intro to Signal Integrity fundamental book Bill, The Young's book is relatively rigorous and theoretical, but not too much theoretical at the same time - well balanced. Good to learn fundamentals :-) It is one of the books I used to learn the signal integrity subject. Another book on SI that I leaned from was S. C. Thierauf, High-speed circuit board signal integrity, Artech House, 2004. Best regards, Yuriy Yuriy Shlepnev, Ph.D. President, Simberian Inc. 3030 S Torrey Pines Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89146, USA Office +1-702-876-2882; Fax +1-702-482-7903 Cell +1-206-409-2368; Virtual +1-408-627-7706 Skype: shlepnev www.simberian.com Simbeor – Accurate, Fast, Easy and Affordable Electromagnetic Signal Integrity Software 2010 and 2011 DesignVision Award Winner -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Hargin (Nan Ya, USA) Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 11:43 AM To: shlepnev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Stephen.Lin@xxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Intro to Signal Integrity fundamental book Hi Yuriy: Is there anything in particular that stands out to you about Young's book? (Something it covers well that's unique and different?) Bill Hargin Director of North American Sales and Marketing Nan Ya Copper-Clad Laminates billh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ▪ 425-301-4425 ▪ Skype: bill.hargin -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yuriy Shlepnev Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 7:30 AM To: Stephen.Lin@xxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Intro to Signal Integrity fundamental book Stephen, In addition to what was already recommended on signal integrity, I would like to add: B. Young, Digital signal integrity: Modeling and simulation with interconnects and packages, Prentice Hall PTR, 2001. Note, that the digital interconnects are just planar waveguiding structures with the complications imposed by the signal bandwidth and manufacturing technology. To understand the fundamentals of the subject I can recommend to start with the theory of transmission lines and the relevant parts of the microwave theory (assuming that you already have good understanding of the circuit theory): C. Paul, Analysis of Multiconductor Transmission Lines, Wiley-IEEE, 2007. F. Gardiol, Microstrip circuits, John Wiley & Sons,1994. D.M. Pozar, Microwave engineering, John Wiley & Sons, 1998. S. Ramo, J.R. Whinnery, T. Van Duzer, Fields and waves in communication electronics, John Wiley & Sons, 1994. Best regards, Yuriy Yuriy Shlepnev, Ph.D. President, Simberian Inc. 3030 S Torrey Pines Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89146, USA Office +1-702-876-2882; Fax +1-702-482-7903 Cell +1-206-409-2368; Virtual +1-408-627-7706 Skype: shlepnev www.simberian.com Simbeor - Accurate, Fast, Easy and Affordable Electromagnetic Signal Integrity Software 2010 and 2011 DesignVision Award Winner -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stephen Lin Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 1:12 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Intro to Signal Integrity fundamental book Hi, All, Can anyone recommend me a good fundamental signal integrity book? I am an ~15 yrs ASIC Electrical Engineer (primary in digital area and small exposure to analog/mixed design) who is recently jumping into signal integrity project that will be "applying" the SI concepts on transmission line to analyze IO behavior, impedance analysis, eye-diagram analysis, dc/ac behavior of its spice simulation...etc. I am looking for an "applied" SI book that is fundamental and easy to understand for EE person like me. I found a forum that recommended this intro book: "Electromagnetics for Engineers" by Fawwaz T. Ulaby Has anybody read that book and can validate if it's a good starting point book for me? Or maybe there is a better book out there for me? Thank you very much for your help on this. 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