Thanks for the comments. So the good news is I will get some magnetic shielding from the copper shape. But I am concerned about the details: Assuming that I have 1oZ Cu on the surface, and have a shape (ground) beneath the VRM, even if the shape thickness is equal to the skin depth of the switching frequency, that would attenuate the magnetic fields by a factor of 2.72. How much coupled noise could the remaining fields induce in my low voltage digital traces below? How big does the shape need to be (probably depends magnetics characteristics)? Should I tie it to ground with vias... at what spacing? And what if the switching supply is only 200, or 500 khz? It would seem that some modeling is in order. How can I model the coupling from the fields that do penetrate through the copper shape? I would also need to include some type of model for the VRM. Are there any tools that anybody can suggest? Bob Welte IBM Microelectronics ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu