Professor Andreas Cangellaris of University of Illinois has present a = methodology to relate degree of accuracy with number of lumped sections = from a mathematical point of view at his short course in EPEP 2000. The = title of the short course is " Electrical Fundamentals for Signal = Integrity in High-Speed Hihg-Density Interconnects ".=20 Michael=20 -----Original Message----- From: Moeller, Merrick [mailto:mmoeller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:50 AM To: Si-List (E-mail) Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Innterconnect Lumped modeling The phenomonon you are speaking of is the quasi-static assumption. B. = Young estimates in his book that the maximum circuit dimension must be less = than the wavelength/10 or wavelength/30. This maximum circuit dimension would be the equivalent electrical length. approx.=3D Er*Mechanical length... = I'm not=20 sure if this relates directly to the Td of the line. Optimization of the lumped element models, and increasing degree of = complexity will extend the used of simplified models. Merrick ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu