Yes. Thank you Stephen for pointing out that important aspect also.
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Samie Samaan
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DC balance as well as to provide enough transitions to help clock recovery
circuits. As clock recovery techniques improved over the last decade, we've
been able to expand to 64b/66b, 128b/130b, 256b/258 etc with scrambling.
If your clock-data recovery circuit were a problem, more transitions would open
your eye, so that's the good news: your receiver's DC balanced and your CDR
works fine.
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Hi Jun,
Just a reminder that the original purpose of 8b10b is to achieve DC
balance (after an isolation Cap), by not allowing too many consecutive
0s or 1s. This helps a receiver (Rx) maintain the proper DC level at
its analog front end.
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Samie Samaan
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Hi experts,
I have also collabrated with Keysight experts on 8b10b simulation.
Using Keysight IBIS Tx and Rx general models, we still find that no
improvement when we add 8b10b coding. Also I compare the periodic
pattern with "0000000001" and "01" and still not find the latter
pattern will obtain more eye height than the former one.
I doubt whether the benifit of 8b10b can improve SI performance.
Hope to your discussion
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:31 AM, jun zhang <zhangjun5960@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Cotton,case.
I simulate 1000,000 bits.
The PRBS is maximal length LFSR and register length is 11.
Regards
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Cotton, Chris
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Jun
8B10B tends to limit the length of consecutive identical digits and
hence tends to lower ISI which often times should help improve the
eye. How many bits are you simulating? What PRBS are you using? If
8B10B is making it worse among the first thing that I would look at
is to compare the bit pattern coming down the line in the non-8B10B
wrote:
My guess is that this has nothing to do with needing a de-encoder
function in RX model.
Chris
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Ask your model supplier if their AMI algorithm works well with 8b10b.
Some do not and your results will look worse.
Aubrey
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On Dec 30, 2015, at 7:52 AM, jun zhang <zhangjun5960@xxxxxxxxx>
encoder.
Hi experts,
In simulation of SAS-3 12Gbps by IBIS-AMI model obtained from
vendors, I accidently compare the eye diagram when TX with 8b10b
encoder and without 8b10b encoder and find that with 8b10b
encoder, both the eye heights and widths become worse than
without 8b10b
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Do you also approach such a phemomena and how can we explain it?
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