Steve, I have not personally done studies on this topic, but I can share my understanding, and hope that someone on the list may be able to further elaborate.... Imagine that you have a 1/2 oz copper differential trace that is 5 mils wide with some spacing, say X. For large X, the majority of the E field exists between each trace of the diff pair and the reference plane. At high frequency, the current in the trace will be confined to one skin depth times 5 mils wide of trace. Now imagine that X is small (tightly coupled). Now most of the E field exists between the two traces. The current is confined to one skin depth time .7 mils thick of trace.... a much smaller cross-section, hence lossier. I have seen rather lengthy threads on this list regarding tightly coupled vs. loosely coupled pairs, and I thought this to be an interesting argument. I have not personally done a lot of work to verify this, so if someone has, and would like to share, I would love to see it. JR -----Original Message----- From: Hinet [mailto:wftinghi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:27 PM To: Jones, James R; manjusha@xxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Re: Help... > Also, tightly coupled traces will crosstalk even > less, but be wary of losses due to fringing effects. > Could you explain why the losses would be increased by tight coupling in more details? Thanks! Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu